Wednesday, May 9, 2012

John 19

Jesus Delivered to Be Crucified

Pilate tries a few times to get the people to let them go, but they were determined to have him crucified. Pilate tries his best to help and get Jesus freed but he won't help himself and everyone seems against Jesus.

At one point people in the crowd said "We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die", but recently they said that it is not lawful to put anyone to death. Which is it?

Pilate tried once again to get the people to let him go. He said to the Jews "this is your king" then he asks "should I crucify your king?" and they said that their only king is Caesar so he delivered Jesus over to them to be crucified.

The Crucifixion

They took Jesus out to Golgotha and crucified him. They put a sign on his cross that said "king of the Jews" and they divided up his belongings. Jesus' mother was there and he acknowledged her.

The Death of Jesus

Jesus said that he was thirsty to fulfill the scripture, and so they gave him some wine and then he released his spirit.

This is the kind of thing that I am talking about when I discount prophecies. Does it really count if he is doing this for the express purpose of fulfilling the prophecy? Was he even thirsty or did he just say it because he thought he was supposed to?

Jesus' Side Is Pierced

The soldiers came to the three people who were crucified to break their legs, but since Jesus was already dead they didn't break his legs, but they pierced his side with a spear and water and blood came out. This fulfilled some scripture.

Jesus Is Buried

Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate if he could take the body of Jesus and he was allowed to. He put him in a tomb that was never used previously.


  1. I'm just glad the Bible doesn't say anything about a group of the faithful dying in the year 2012. I bet we'd have a variety of churches in line to fulfill the prophecy.

    1. That's a good point. It is bad enough that we have nuts who think the world will end this year. Imagine how widespread it would be if it was in the bible.

  2. I always found the Pilate story interesting. Roman Prelates were not known for democratic tendencies. It would have been completely out of character for Pilate to even offer the crowd a choice. That is just not the way it was done back then...

    1. I had always been told that it was the custom for the crowd to let someone go. It never occurred to me that this was incorrect.

  3. Jesus Delivered to Be CrucifiedThat's a really interesting point Reason Being. Thanks for pointing that out. There are so many differences in the stories, as we've seen thus far when it comes to the last few chapters of the Jesus' story. I will gloss over most of them, since I've already pointed them out ad naseum.

    For me, the first red flag in people trying to explain away contradictions came from here. I used to think that most of them could be easily explained away, not having actually sat down and read the bible myself. It came with the differences in reported times that these event's occured. I've heard it explained away that the Romans and the Jews had different methods of measuring time, and thus the difference. People actually accept this, even though there is no evidence, or reason, to use as a basis for this statement.
    I am also going to ignore the differences in what the soldier offered Jesus. But he accepts it here, but does not in Mark. I also feel like the final words of Jesus is something really important.

    Jesus' Side Is Pierced In verse 36, it reads (in my version) “For these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture 'Not a bone of Him shall be broken.” This was recently pointed out to me about how terrible this prophecy is. Usually people refer to the verses here. I'd suggest also reading them in context. You quickly realize that the references are commandments about the passover lamb. InPsalm 34, which Is also used, should be read in context as well. It's actually referring to righteous people in general. I really have a problem with this kind of “slight of hand” that Christians just take for granted. You could also use the verses from Lamentations and Psalms again, out of context, to say that this prophecy was not fulfilled.

  4. Those differences are interesting. I guess it still all comes down to how accurate you think the bible is. If you think it is inerrant, this is pretty significant. If you think it is just fallible people writing stories, then these maybe aren't such a big deal, but that brings up questions about how seriously you should take the rest of it. It seems most Christians try to have it both ways.

    1. *most Christians in my experience anyway


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